Okay.

[la_vie_noire]

Via delux_vivens. As always, when you said "women" in mainstream feminist circles, you mean, "white, cis women."

Otherwise, I don't get what Yonmei even tried to compare here.

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[the_future_modernes]

I am confuesed? What is it that Taneisi Coates said that she objects to?

[la_vie_noire]

I don't effing know.

Seriously, when a man of color says something sexist, you know white women will be there to said racist things.

[willow]

**rolls eyes in Yonmei's general direction**

[la_vie_noire]

Yeah. delux_vivens already said all that was wrong with this.

[willow]

It's not just what DV said, which is also, so so true (though I actually didn't know about Naipaul. I just knew my mother loathes him with tar fire vengeance - undoubtedly this is why).

The other thing is that Yonmei obviously didn't read very well or even try to understand Coates pov. She just leapt to this very ass showing interpretation. She assumed a MoC HAD to not be getting it. Instead of seeing someone saying 'Why are you throwing your pearls before swine and crying about it?'

[la_vie_noire]

She assumed a MoC HAD to not be getting it. Instead of seeing someone saying 'Why are you throwing your pearls before swine and crying about it?'

Also, if she was bothered by this, it's pretty funny how she just took the MoC who said something she found "problematic" and gave the, "oh, but if white writers said something racist, you would be mad!". 1) Because of course, there is only the dichotomy of male PoC/white women here, the fact that women of color exists escapes her and of course she had to play Oppression Olympics. 2) When white cis able men said sexists things... well, they are just assholes, but they don't get privileged people schooling them about their own oppression and how they would feel (which she may have felt Coates did, I don't know). 3) Of course, don't get white men who talked shit about this issue -which, I bet you could find-, find other MoC and, again, find the chance to talk about an oppression you have no idea about!

(And dude, Coates may have talked from his position. Because these same people weren't there when Naipaul talked shit about people like Coates, and he just had to... go on.)

[willow]

I repeat, I roll my eyes. Yonmei has a habit of picking her high ground and keeping it, with no consideration of mitigating factors or alternating povs broadening the horizon.

[la_vie_noire]

Privilege, that it is.

[bravecows]

And dude, Coates may have talked from his position.

The funny thing about this is that Coates has been blogging regularly about reading racist white writers and finding value in reading them. Just last week he was saying:

Literature classes around the country offer readings from former slaves--the narratives of Frederick Douglass, Olaudah Equiano, and Harriet Jacobs, for instance. I'm not exactly sure why we wouldn't also study the literature of slaveholders.

And emphasising that one of the reasons why he enjoyed reading the writing of a particularly racist pro-slavery dead white dude was because of its beauty.

(I kind of go back and forth on TNC's stance; I sort of agree with him but at the same time I don't want to give so much of my mental space to racist dead white dudes when I could be giving it to other kinds of people. But I think it's likely that I need more reeducation than TNC does at this point ...)

But anyway, in light of all that, TNC is like the last person of whom you could say "oh it would be different if it was racism!"

[la_vie_noire]

Well, I din't know all that, but obviously Yonmei also didn't. It's kinda ironic how her post was about showing one's ass.

(I kind of go back and forth on TNC's stance; I sort of agree with him but at the same time I don't want to give so much of my mental space to racist dead white dudes when I could be giving it to other kinds of people. But I think it's likely that I need more reeducation than TNC does at this point ...)

Yeah, I'm kinda the same, I prefer to spend time reading non racist white dudes if I can! But well, I don't see anything wrong with that as long as Coates gets something useful from it. XD

But anyway, in light of all that, TNC is like the last person of whom you could say "oh it would be different if it was racism!"

Irony!

[buria_q]

she appears to be shooting the messenger.

[la_vie_noire]

Or shooting herself.