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[la_vie_noire]

This woman apparently has had the ILLUMINATING and UNIQUE thought that POLITICALLY CORRECT BULLSHIT has gone out of hand. She will START A REVOLUTION against the corrupted blogging system. (That will end in her maintaining her right to say... racist jokes, I guess.)

Uhm. These (white, cis, able-boded, etc., etc., because I just love to say it - and even if I don't say it, it won't make it less true) people and their revolutionary epiphanies.

ETA: Also, people, I have to study so I won't be here much. Not that I was being uber-active these days, but just to be safe.

Comments

[the_future_modernes]

how boring. cant they come up with new arguments already? I wish they would at least acknowlege that this shot aint edgy new or different. Its the same old fuckery, and its not even cleaned up.

[la_vie_noire]

Yeah, exactly. But it's just brilliant because THEY THOUGHT of it. FOR THE FIRST TIME ever.

[timeasmymeasure]

My favorite part: Hell, I have heard of black people who don't write black characters because they don't want to have to deal with well-intentioned idiots telling them they're doing it wrong.

Not to fall to the meme speak but, boo. Cry moar.

[la_vie_noire]

... Ahahahahahaha. Oh God. I missed that part! (As I missed much of it.)

Seriously? Do you mean... well-intentioned WHITE idiots? Gold.

[timeasmymeasure]

Yes, but you don't understand. Black or white, political correctness is the evil of the internet.



God, people suck.

[la_vie_noire]

But you know, why can't I be an asshole to disabled people without them complaining at me? Geez, as in, people DIE IN WARS in other parts! Not that I know of it because I'm a middle-classed white First World Westerner, but I have heard of that.

[colorblue]

XDDDD

[dingsi]

... what.

I'm so fucking glad that on the second comment page there's a huge influx of people who have other things to say than THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME CARTE BLANCHE TO DISMISS ALL SOCIAL ACTIVISM.

[la_vie_noire]

I'm so fucking glad that on the second comment page there's a huge influx of people who have other things to say than THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME CARTE BLANCHE TO DISMISS ALL SOCIAL ACTIVISM.

Seriously. As if they don't have Carte Blanche every fucking minute of their privileged lives. Please.

[trouble]

*siiiiigh* So brave of her! So brave! *siiiiiiiiiiiiiigh*

[la_vie_noire]

I know! SHE IS SETTING A STANDARD HERE.

[outou]

_dahne_'s post had a lot of problems -- okay, the whole thing was a giant problem, since it's essentially about _dahne_'s wish to use easily-replaceable words like "retarded." He/She reduced disabled people's calls against ableism to a made-up fandom trend! I'm very gratified to know that, the next time somebody dismisses my fears over being discriminated against due to my hearing loss or disfigurement, I'm the one who's in the wrong.

I'll be honest, though, and suggest that there is some "bullying" going on when multiple people gang up on one person who made a bad choice of words...and keep on going even when that person made an honest, passive-aggression-free apology. Or when certain posters whip out foul language and calls of "WHITE, CIS, ABLE-BODIED, ETC., ETC."--because you love to say it, even if it's a bunch of broad accusations that might not be true at all*--as a matter of course, since there's no way these privileged, stupid people will ever understand. There's too much injustice and pain in the world for people to remain calm when explaining for the umpteenth time why/how other people are being transphobic, ablist, racist, sexist, and so on. Yet it does seem like we've reached a point where we're acting like genuine bullies, just because we think our problems suck so much that we need to take it out on the people who tip us over the edge.

*Yes, I know _dahne_ admitted to being able-bodied and cisgendered. That doesn't mean you painted everybody who rants against the imaginary specter of the P.C. Fandom Activist with the same brush.

[la_vie_noire]

Or when certain posters whip out foul language and calls of "WHITE, CIS, ABLE-BODIED, ETC., ETC."--because you love to say it, even if it's a bunch of broad accusations that might not be true at all*--as a matter of course, since there's no way these privileged, stupid people will ever understand. There's too much injustice and pain in the world for people to remain calm when explaining for the umpteenth time why/how other people are being transphobic, ablist, racist, sexist, and so on. Yet it does seem like we've reached a point where we're acting like genuine bullies, just because we think our problems suck so much that we need to take it out on the people who tip us over the edge.

No. It's not "taking up to them". It's being mad at them for dehumanizing you. Also, see tone argument. Also, I'm not going to educate when its something it has been discussed all over the web because I'm not that person.

That doesn't mean you painted everybody who rants against the imaginary specter of the P.C. Fandom Activist with the same brush.

You mean that is unfair to call "white, able-bodied, cis" to people who are projecting privileged behavior, or am I getting you wrong?

[la_vie_noire]

For your first point: Yes, it is wrong when people doing the call-up adopt oppressive language. But if you are talking about any other thing... I'm not "Miss Manners." They way someone choses to take an apology, it's up to them.

[la_vie_noire]

Look, I hope you can clarify better because I don't know if I'm misunderstanding you. I'll explain what is the problem with "bullying" etc., when it's used to people reacting against oppression. The problem is that an apology really doesn't erase anything. An apology sometimes isn't even going to compare with the damage done. Hell, everyone it's different, so how they react to the damage done to them (and subsequent apology) will vary. But I really, really don't see anything wrong about talking about wrong behavior after the people who did it apologized. Because an apology, well meant as it may be, doesn't erase the context around the hypothetical oppressive behavior, and doesn't stop all the hurting the people offended and oppressed will continue to live because that behavior was part of a big system. And apology is just a personal thing, between people, to show that the one doing the damage, "knows they did something wrong and feels sorry." And that's all.

I mean, as long as the people discussing and "calling up" aren't getting into insulting, offensive territory, I don't see why talking about, "well, what this person did just shows how much..." and so, and so entries are damaging. On the contrary. And seriously, even "well meant, honest" apologies bore some people, specially when the people doing so are fawned over and the damage is continued to be perpetrated. I don't know, they are so many types of situations, and it's kinda arrogant to tell someone, "this is the CORRECT way you should take this well-meaning person who damaged you," don't you think?

But well, if you are talking about an hypothetical situation where someone apologized decently and never did something wrong again, and people continued to GO to that person and... call them names (or something), I have to see it.

[ajnabi]

oh my god why did i go and read (some of, most of) that post by _dahne_.

wow. that was horrible. horrible fucking horrible.

[la_vie_noire]

Shut. Really, a waste of time. *huuugs*