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la_vie_noire ([personal profile] la_vie_noire) wrote2010-06-19 02:33 am
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On intersex erasure and genital "mutilation"

Kynn very well points on the cisprivilege that is going on with this outrage over "genital mutilation". TRIGGER WARNING: POST TALKS ABOUT GENITAL RECONSTRUCTIVE SURGERY.

It's really an intersex issue that everyone is choosing to forget.

Here is a wonderful anonymous comment that points a lot of the issues here and everybody who is not an intersex person should read. Because as informative and useful [livejournal.com profile] lizardspots's post is with all the mess that this has become, it also reeks of cis privilege:

Children should be allowed to decide for themselves if they want genital reconstructive surgery, and which gender identity they wish to align themselves with. While doctors may be right in some cases, in a large number they are not, particularly because they decide the child's gender identity largely based on the size of the cliterophallus. Most cases have nothing to do with the chromosomes of the child and everything to do with the heterocentric notion that the child, if allowed to be 'male' will have an unhealthy sexual life because his penis will not be able to pleasure a woman because it is too small.

It is far, far more traumatizing to be given a gender identity you do not want and to have your genitals hacked apart before you are really cognizant of them as an adult. Many, many intersexed could have had much happier lives with genitals closer to those that they really wanted, and happier childhoods without the pressure to conform to an applied gender identity that did not fit them. This also touches on transphobia, because many people cannot deal with the idea that a child should be free to choose what gender they ascribe to. Contrary to what may be a common belief, if a child is given guidance about the nature of their genitals, they'll deal with it pretty well. Children are really more flexible and strong than most people given them credit for.


Also people? Terms like "normal" and "anormal" aren't neccesarily "neutral," "right" or devoid of any demeaning/discriminating connotation just because they are used regularly in medicine. God knows that in this context, with intersex issues, they are definitely not that.

Something about scientists: most of them are privileged people who don't live completely dissociated from their environment.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
Hmmmm so the issue is not with how wrong the study/procedure is, but with why people're getting outraged?

[identity profile] la-vie-noire.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Have you read the links? It's a procedure that is mainly done on intersex people.

The problem here is the actual erasure of the people who get this procedure on. 1)The facts that a lot of people talked about are completely wrong, 2) It's not okay for cis people to get outraged without even knowing what is actually happening to intersex people. Heck, most of them aren't even mentioning them and knowing why these procedures are done.

The experiences of itersex people are always erased, regardless of what cis people feel about this, they aren't the ones getting this procedure. Privilege.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Commented just as you did D: ;; I did read everything now, yeah I get it.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:45 am (UTC)(link)
Mind if I link to this instead?

[identity profile] la-vie-noire.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
You can link Kynn's post, she puts it a lot better.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
'Kay, will do.

And thanks for linking it in the first place.

[identity profile] la-vie-noire.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
No problem really, on the contrary.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 08:13 am (UTC)(link)
W-well, posted a new entry, hopefully it's fine :|;;

[identity profile] la-vie-noire.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
It's fine, I'm glad you posted it.

[identity profile] jlarinda.livejournal.com 2010-06-19 07:39 am (UTC)(link)
Oh sob nevermind, I missed that there're two links where you say "it reeks of cis privilege" and I now read those comments and fdjskgj yes orz