Yes, hiatus is a word that doesn't always work for me

[la_vie_noire]

Dude, Imperialism exists. Is real. I love when people go on and pretend it doesn't exist and can exclude the rest of the world when the rest of the world (well, at least a lot of it) doesn't have a choice in excluding them.

Just saying, United States of America.

ETA: I think what bothers me of the victimization going on is that you may dislike USian, Usonian, whatever because you find it silly or what the hell, but then you leave me, by your supposed "right to reject whatever term because THE OTHERS WILL DEFINE YOU," with no choice but to call you by my own identity when I want to talk about you. And 1) people won't know what I'm talking about because they barely know my country, 2) I will be basically saying, with all the imperialism going on, that I'm part of you! (And a lot of well, remembering, maybe a couple of people overseas had already told me when I informed them I was from America that I was really part of USA, but didn't want to admit it or something.)

You see what difference of power does to a "dilemma" like this?

DAUGHTER OF ETA: This video is very awesome. Lets join Antarctica, people. I think is sensible.

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obviously my vocabulary is amazing when i've just woken up

[surpassingly]

Yes. Yes yes yes yes yes. Yessssss.

Re: obviously my vocabulary is amazing when i've just woken up

[la_vie_noire]

I mean, seriously. *rolls eyes*

Re: obviously my vocabulary is amazing when i've just woken up

[surpassingly]

Augh, I read that entry's comments last night, and I was all SCREAM NO YOU JUST DON'T GET IT AGH STABBITY STAB at some of the comments. Good on you for that discussion. <333

I mean, what are you talking about? Of course we live in the modern age where everything is equal and there is no oppression at all, ever!

I took your icon, and <s>eat it </s> double it

[la_vie_noire]

Yeha, some of the comments are... arg.

Yes, because I'll be oppressing a person from US if I call them Estadounidense or something when I don't want to call them "Americana/no" if they just happen to dislike the term!

YAMAMOTO ♥ ♥ ♥ Love him so much.

[surpassingly]

I had to click away after some time because the cluelessness was hurting me.

Oppression! How evil! Obviously it's the people who are called USian against their will who are the victims here, not those whose identities they've appropriated and/or defined and/or denied and/or trampled on for years!

PS: I need to watch that video, it looks pretty cool.

[dhobikikutti]

Yeah.

[la_vie_noire]

Pretty much.

[beyourwings]

ESTADOUNIDENSES. No es nuestra culpa que no hayan tenido creatividad suficiente para forjarse un nombre antes. DEJEN DE MONOPOLIZAR LA IDENTIDAD DEL CONTINENTE.

[la_vie_noire]

GRACIAS SHA. En serio. <333

[beyourwings]

/se te cuelga Dx

Es que es tan. tan. frustrante todo eso! Dije que no iba a decir nada pero vi la thread que linkeaste arriba y. WHAT THE FREAKING HELL.

Yo ilusa ayer pensaba que todo iba a aclararse rápido, claro CÓMO ES DIFÍCIL ENTENDER EL PUNTO DE LA DISCUSIÓN. Pero no, porque la identidad que les imparten en el resto del mundo es otra, claro. AGH.

CÓMO ESTÁS. ESTUDIA, HONEY. TE QUIERO.

[la_vie_noire]

GRACIAS SHA. TE QUIERO! <333

[laurus_nobilis]

Y ADEMÁS:

Provincias Unidas del Río de la Plata
Estados Unidos de Mexico
Estados Unidos de Colombia

A NADIE MÁS SE LE OCURRIÓ DECIR "LOL SOMOS TODO EL CONTINENTE".

Y lo digo acá porque en el post de JL ya estaba a punto de matar gente.

[beyourwings]

Es que obviamente les faltaba (y sigue faltando) SENTIDO COMÚN. Desde ese momento se consideraban el centro del mundo y LOS ÚNICOS DE ESE LADO DEL PLANETA. GUESS WHAT. YOU'RE NOT.

(Y honestamente, para toda la discusión? Por qué no se llamaron Estados Unidos de Norteamérica? DON'T YOU SEE.)

[la_vie_noire]

Y bueno che, ahi le tiramos la bola a Canadá y México. XD Que sí, nos salvamos nosotros, pero bueno, tampoco. XD

[beyourwings]

No sí |'D Lo peor es que a ellos sí los quiero. ;;

Pero ahí se pierde su punto de 'lol no es un solo continente'.

[la_vie_noire]

i see what you did there.

XD Pero en serio, es que esa discusión no tiene el menor sentido, el punto era que "América" le envolvía a un grupo, y que sea uno o dos continentes muy relevante no es para decir que "América" no va de Canada a Argentina, y no creo que nadie discuta eso.

[beyourwings]

Ah, eso es cierto |D Por eso no me meto a la candela, ves '-'

[la_vie_noire]

te digo, derailing puro. Pos si, pero tu país se sigue llamando "Estados Unidos de America" y bueno, no cambia. XD

[beyourwings]

Concentrémonos en. otras cosas ahora.

COMO TU EXAMEN, VI *staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaares*

[lab]

All I get from this is blah blah blah blah ra ra ra ra why do you call me names I do not waaaant blah blah blah imperialism power recursive white privilege straw-argument of "i know i'm privileged blah blah blah ra ra ra

... It's late, and I have nothing. Big props for your comment over there, it's really, really excellently put and I admire it. And you for making it, agh, it's late and english is not my friend right now, I'm sorry.

/bed

[la_vie_noire]

Yes, seriously, so much head-ache, but it really gives me troubles about how to call myself when some shit powerful people from United States of America don't want to be called other thing besides Americans. Dude, do you know what you "silly inconvenient" kinda does?

Awww, thank you! :)

[lab]

Adenda: Now that I have read all the comments on that post - uh, my faculty pretty much uses USians, and isn't it a pretty literal translation of estadounidense? I guess I'm just irritated with the "UNITED STATES OF WHAT?!?!?!?!" comments over there ...

ok, me voy now.

[parlance]

I agree with everything you say here. As a USian, that was headdesking.

[la_vie_noire]

And you know what, I was saying someone else, I (and this is completely personal) most of the time don't even blink when people from US call themselves Americans, heck, not even white people. But this victimizing, and "OMG you are oppressing me because I have to define myself!" completely ignoring all the context and power dynamics going on... just piss me off.

[parlance]

Yes, it totally smacks of self-entitled "PC police are oppressing me" appropriation of resistance language.

[la_vie_noire]

Thank you, really. It means a lot for me. <3

[parlance]

<3 to you. I admire your speaking out, because I know it's tiring.

[laurus_nobilis]

Lo que no deja de fascinarme es que superponen "tenemos derecho a llamarnos a nosotros mismos como queramos" (cosa que, tengo que reconocer, me parece coherente) con "PERO USTEDES NO PORQUE AMERICANS SOMOS NOSOTROS, OBVIAMENTE".

[la_vie_noire]

Si, quiero decir, que se llamen como quieran, pero si yo los llamo "Estadounidenses" USians o lo que quieran soy una perra ofensiva y no es que no me dejan sin opciones ni nada, ni que dominen el mundo. Arg.

[laurus_nobilis]

La negación de esa gente me supera. No me sorprende, porque ya me peleé demasiadas veces por este mismo tema, pero en serio que no lo puedo entender.

[laurus_nobilis]

Y no te olvides que tampoco podés decir que sos americana! Porque eso no existe!

[la_vie_noire]

... ay dios. A menos que seas de los Estados Unidos de America! Ahi sí existe.

[laurus_nobilis]

Te juro que yo vi cosas como gente diciendo "blah blah blah Pirates of the Caribbean is set in America" y tarados que dicen OMG NO! MIRÁ UN MAPA!

[la_vie_noire]

.... dios.

[laurus_nobilis]

... acabo de ver ese video. GENIAL. XDDD

OTL

[alcesverdes]

*los iconea*

*icon contra quien sea pertinente*

[alcesverdes]

Yo llegué tarde, pero estoy de acuerdo con todo lo que dijeron Sha y Lau. Tampoco acabo de entender cómo es que no les cae el veinte, pero mis learnings me dicen que es porque los educan para sentirse lo mejor del universo. /ya se embitterció

[vi]

This is an entirely crappy debate. >=( Glad you spoke up in the other thread, even though its tiring to engage with clueless people- you put it so succintly.

[glass_icarus]

I am refusing to read any argument along the lines of "USian is a derogatory term!!!" on the grounds that I do not need to expand my rage capacity at this time. -.-;;; Also- I am a USian, I am going to call myself a USian, and I am so beyond ready for everyone in this country to abandon the AMERICA FUCK YEAH!!! attitude, OMFG.