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la_vie_noire) wrote2010-04-25 03:24 pm
la_vie_noire) wrote2010-04-25 03:24 pm
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Yeah, this is public because I want to show it as an example
Neil Gaiman's fail caught Will Sh****ly and his faithful bigots attention. So as you can imagine, it has all the racist and creepy stalkerish (looking for information about some people's real lives) fail you would expect from these people. But now they are spending their time also attacking Kynn's gender identity (in the entry where he apparently is teaching Pam Noles about Malcolm X by the way, yeah I'm not capable of reading that but just needed a laugh today). [Edit because Jesus Fucking Christ: Oh for fuck's sake, I removed the link because Sh****ly is making use of the attention that thread is receiving to keep outing and showing his stalkerish tendencies towards coffeeandink, his favorite target, who has no relevance in the discussion at hand. No relevance, I tell you. Damn creepy man. I don't think his blog is that hard to find on google if you so want to see it, but not going to link it here. You can go and read coffeeandink's explanation of the issue, which, by the way, still has nothing to do with the original discussion we are having here, but the man just saw this like an opportunity to bring it back.]
Here at some of the quotes on that thread about Kynn's gender identity:
Some shitty human being in Sh***ly blog:
Yeah, I'm not going to be nice to Kynn about that, especially as I have to imagine he thinks he's a girl dragon inside or some shit. That's about his speed.
Sh****ly:
When did Kynn become a woman? I refer to her as a woman because I believe in common and uncommon courtesy, but when speaking of the time when she was male, that male pronoun has to be appropriate.
Those who knew Kynn as a male might well think of her that way, just as someone's mental image of a person may be of a dark-haired person, though the person is now gray-haired. Identity is tricky. I don't get bent out of shape when old friends call me Bill.
Yeah, the brilliance is mind-blowing. I know.
Oh, nothing is anyone's business. But if you knew Kynn as male, it seems to me it's right to refer to him then and her now. And if you don't know when Kynn transitioned, that would suggest any reference to Kynn in the past should be male, while Kynn in the present should be female.
As for your second point, yes and no. A mind is a mind, no matter what the body, unless you're a sexist asshole.
Shitty human being again:
Yeah, well, having had to deal with the asshole for a long time, I prefer to believe he just strapped on being trans because he really, really, really, really always wanted to be a persecuted minority. And now he is one, presto!
Fuck that guy, right up his missing vajayjay.
Also, shitty human being is being all "I do not like Kynn, so obviously Kynn isn't trans. So I'm not transphobic, I met a trans woman who liked me once."
For the record, DO NO ENGAGE WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.
I just want to show that this is what happens when marginalized people dare to talk against oppression. You see how vulnerable trans women are and how their bodies and identities are ridiculed by cis, white, straight men when they denounce privilege and problematic behavior.
Kynn is a white woman, so these people used part of her identity they could attack without any guilt to show superiority towards her anti-racism discourse. Because we know that mocking trans people's identities is not only acceptable, but encouraged and rewarded in today's society.
ETA: Something that I think is very important to notice is how Kynn talking against oppression was such a great threat for these people that they decided to put her in danger. We all know how the "man in a dress" rhetoric is used in today's world. (People may said I accuse them of putting there "things they aren't saying," but really how much in a bubble you have to live to think this couldn't end in transphobic violence, specially when these people say they personally know her. Heck, they just need to talk about a trans woman that way for someone more violent to hear it and the situation could be really dangerous. That's why everything we do has an impact, our actions never interacts with vacuum. But you know how Kynn just want to be oppressed. Like, right, how many cis women do you know who are "claiming" to be trans women even online? As you can see, people like these specimens make society a really hateful place for trans women.)
Relevant:stoneself: the cost of speaking up.
Here at some of the quotes on that thread about Kynn's gender identity:
Some shitty human being in Sh***ly blog:
Yeah, I'm not going to be nice to Kynn about that, especially as I have to imagine he thinks he's a girl dragon inside or some shit. That's about his speed.
Sh****ly:
When did Kynn become a woman? I refer to her as a woman because I believe in common and uncommon courtesy, but when speaking of the time when she was male, that male pronoun has to be appropriate.
Those who knew Kynn as a male might well think of her that way, just as someone's mental image of a person may be of a dark-haired person, though the person is now gray-haired. Identity is tricky. I don't get bent out of shape when old friends call me Bill.
Yeah, the brilliance is mind-blowing. I know.
Oh, nothing is anyone's business. But if you knew Kynn as male, it seems to me it's right to refer to him then and her now. And if you don't know when Kynn transitioned, that would suggest any reference to Kynn in the past should be male, while Kynn in the present should be female.
As for your second point, yes and no. A mind is a mind, no matter what the body, unless you're a sexist asshole.
Shitty human being again:
Yeah, well, having had to deal with the asshole for a long time, I prefer to believe he just strapped on being trans because he really, really, really, really always wanted to be a persecuted minority. And now he is one, presto!
Fuck that guy, right up his missing vajayjay.
Also, shitty human being is being all "I do not like Kynn, so obviously Kynn isn't trans. So I'm not transphobic, I met a trans woman who liked me once."
For the record, DO NO ENGAGE WITH ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.
I just want to show that this is what happens when marginalized people dare to talk against oppression. You see how vulnerable trans women are and how their bodies and identities are ridiculed by cis, white, straight men when they denounce privilege and problematic behavior.
Kynn is a white woman, so these people used part of her identity they could attack without any guilt to show superiority towards her anti-racism discourse. Because we know that mocking trans people's identities is not only acceptable, but encouraged and rewarded in today's society.
ETA: Something that I think is very important to notice is how Kynn talking against oppression was such a great threat for these people that they decided to put her in danger. We all know how the "man in a dress" rhetoric is used in today's world. (People may said I accuse them of putting there "things they aren't saying," but really how much in a bubble you have to live to think this couldn't end in transphobic violence, specially when these people say they personally know her. Heck, they just need to talk about a trans woman that way for someone more violent to hear it and the situation could be really dangerous. That's why everything we do has an impact, our actions never interacts with vacuum. But you know how Kynn just want to be oppressed. Like, right, how many cis women do you know who are "claiming" to be trans women even online? As you can see, people like these specimens make society a really hateful place for trans women.)
Relevant:
stoneself: the cost of speaking up.