la_vie_noire: (Stop with the idiocy)
la_vie_noire ([personal profile] la_vie_noire) wrote2010-03-24 01:16 am

*roll eyes*

Ugh. Today was the day of white, cis, able feminist (or progressive, whatever) women making me very uncomfortable.

Those naive ladies who think gender problems revolve around cis, white, rich, able-bodied women issues. And chose to ignore any unfortunate connotation that their critiques of "gender issues" of other people who are not rich, white, able or cis could have. Some people have a pervasive history of being oppressed by people like you. Things have a context, and some things are more complicated than the simple "you should be like me, the privileged woman who does everything by herself and acts by western/cis/white/able-bodied standards of empowerment."

My head hurts. Badly. Tomorrow will be a long day again.

ETA: What I also wanted to say is that power imbalances exist, and that a more powerful group of people "criticizing" and stereotyping a group that is historically oppressed by them is something that, in our power structures, has certain connotations and consequences that shouldn't be overlooked.

[personal profile] makotomitsunari 2010-03-24 09:38 am (UTC)(link)
ja... te acompaño en sentimiento....
cuantas de esas pululan por ahi... y que ni siquiera escuchan.....

besotes noir, y animo con todo! muak!

[identity profile] sapote3.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 12:25 pm (UTC)(link)
In my part of the US, the traditional pattern is:

1) White cis lady with class privilege is actively (sometimes genuinely and horribly) oppressed by white cis men with class privilege

2) White cis lady etc. turns around and oppresses (sometimes genuinely and horribly) someone who is not white or cis or class-privileged in direct response to anxiety over own role as second-class citizen.

3) Now white cis lady with class privilege is still oppressed, but she feels better because of emotional outlet of lording it over somebody. Meanwhile, the person of color / person with different gender expression / working-class person or group she's targeted is somewhere between "oppressed" and "in a world of hurt", because she's still got a pile of privilege to deliver the oppressing with.

What I'm saying here (and I'm sure you already are aware- I'm just thinking through it) is that these kind of shenanigans - though I don't know the context you're responding to - sure do reinscribe the basic power structure that oppresses everybody.

[identity profile] la-vie-noire.livejournal.com 2010-03-24 07:54 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, yeah, it may as well be. But sometimes I think is just plain naivety with privilege, not so very different from a rich white cis able guy. They will be progressive as long as nobody objects the system that benefit them. I have met a lot of ladies that the idea that some women have different concerns (like, wanting to survive, or feed their families before preoccupying themselves with WHITE MIDDLE CLASSED WESTERN SECOND WAVE FEMINIST THEORY) is so very alien and impossible to imagine for them.

[identity profile] parlance.livejournal.com 2010-03-25 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
D-: What class is this?

Stay strong, don't kill a white cis lady.

[identity profile] la-vie-noire.livejournal.com 2010-03-25 07:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, no, no specific class! XD I'm majoring in biochemistry, so not academic related. XD

Ahahaha, I hope so.