la_vie_noire: (Anthy)
la_vie_noire ([personal profile] la_vie_noire) wrote2009-06-18 01:33 pm

I swear this is my last post for the day

Because [livejournal.com profile] shewhohashope talked. And she said everything that has been bothering about the latesr discussion about rape.

I know that you're all dying to hear my take on this, so here it is: I don't think the discussion is moving from the particular to the systematic aspects of rape. It specifically looks at the implications of rape culture on particular women rather than engaging meaningfully with the ways in which rape is used systematically as a tool of oppression.

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It was a mistake to refer to rape in the Congo, and rape in the poorest parts of the rural south (I read this as 'Global South' initially, but she may mean the U.S. South?), next to 'a frat house party' with no further analysis at all. Right away there is a complete erasure of the wider context. You can talk about the patriarchy and it's effect on women, purporting to discuss the wider systematic aspects of of rape, rather than the particular and the personal. Then to go on to ignore how the patriarchy is used as a tool of colonialism and how the patriarchy is used as a tool of class conflict is (say it with me social science students) problematic.

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Using the word 'civilisation' as though it were antithetical to rape is ridiculous. When rape culture is being discussed, rape is a product of civilisation itself, not an example of its disruption but a natural result of the principles it is built on. Rape is about power, and power struggles and domination are inherent to society building

The difficulty with words like 'civilisation' is that one can mean many things in choosing to use it, it could refer to culture in general - another term which seems to defy any simple definition - or it could refer solely to urbanised societies, typified by their dependence of agriculture. But - and this is the fraught part - people are unable to to prevent themselves from assigning morality to what should be simple, descriptive terms, and 'civilisation' carries a particularly difficult, politicised history.


MUST read.

[identity profile] makotomitsunari.livejournal.com 2009-06-18 06:24 pm (UTC)(link)
odio que hablen de esto en ingles... me pierdo la mitad de las cosas...T_T si son personas que hablan español, y saben que en español no se habla con tanta frecuencia estos temas... porque no los escriben en español!!!? o si quieren hacerlo en ingles, que lo hagan en bilingue.... :/ No todo el mundo sabe ingles, y no todo el mundo tiene un ingles como para entender este tipo de argumentos que traen explicaciones complejas o que se basan en sutilezas a al hora de explicar....y.y
quiero españooool T_T